1 00:00:16,470 --> 00:00:12,250 [Music] 2 00:00:17,939 --> 00:00:16,480 yeah my name is Charlie lineweaver this 3 00:00:20,429 --> 00:00:17,949 is work that I've done with my PhD 4 00:00:22,679 --> 00:00:20,439 student hi young one whose image is 5 00:00:25,679 --> 00:00:22,689 right there unfortunately he couldn't 6 00:00:28,859 --> 00:00:25,689 come so it's about the D volatilization 7 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:28,869 that leads to rocky planets and I showed 8 00:00:32,010 --> 00:00:30,730 a picture of the comet here because 9 00:00:34,770 --> 00:00:32,020 that's a good example of D 10 00:00:38,790 --> 00:00:34,780 volatilization of material as it comes 11 00:00:40,830 --> 00:00:38,800 closer to the Sun all right so lots of 12 00:00:43,170 --> 00:00:40,840 stars in our galaxy half these are half 13 00:00:47,700 --> 00:00:43,180 a billion of the 300 billion in the 14 00:00:49,500 --> 00:00:47,710 galaxy and bunk and stars form in the 15 00:00:52,050 --> 00:00:49,510 clumps in molecular clouds in the plane 16 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:52,060 of the galaxy and as you can see from 17 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:54,850 this when you have a bunch of stars here 18 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:56,290 particularly the OB stars they are 19 00:00:59,760 --> 00:00:57,850 putting out lots of UV and they're 20 00:01:00,870 --> 00:00:59,770 creating these fingers everywhere so 21 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:00,880 that's an example of the D 22 00:01:08,249 --> 00:01:05,770 volatilization in a molecular cloud so 23 00:01:09,899 --> 00:01:08,259 here's an accretion disk and so here for 24 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:09,909 example that tiny accretion disk in this 25 00:01:15,990 --> 00:01:12,850 OB over here pushing away this gas here 26 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:16,000 you can see dust is blocking out the 27 00:01:19,859 --> 00:01:17,530 star here and we're getting lots of 28 00:01:21,719 --> 00:01:19,869 volatiles along these Jets and here's a 29 00:01:23,789 --> 00:01:21,729 picture of what's going on essentially 30 00:01:24,410 --> 00:01:23,799 we were moving good gas and leaving the 31 00:01:26,969 --> 00:01:24,420 dust 32 00:01:29,340 --> 00:01:26,979 now here's another picture you may have 33 00:01:31,019 --> 00:01:29,350 heard that when these protoplanetary 34 00:01:32,969 --> 00:01:31,029 discs are there and they're trying to 35 00:01:34,919 --> 00:01:32,979 create that start turns on it's blowing 36 00:01:36,870 --> 00:01:34,929 out the volatiles from the interior and 37 00:01:38,730 --> 00:01:36,880 that's essentially what is responsible 38 00:01:43,139 --> 00:01:38,740 for the rocky planets that will end up 39 00:01:45,029 --> 00:01:43,149 there and so we have to spend lots and 40 00:01:47,669 --> 00:01:45,039 lots of planets lately there's a few 41 00:01:51,510 --> 00:01:47,679 thousand from the red ones our cups the 42 00:01:52,980 --> 00:01:51,520 red ones are from Kepler and and they're 43 00:01:54,899 --> 00:01:52,990 different techniques here here's the 44 00:01:59,580 --> 00:01:54,909 earth like once the rocky ones are down 45 00:02:01,649 --> 00:01:59,590 here in general and we would we so we 46 00:02:03,749 --> 00:02:01,659 know the mass we know their period we 47 00:02:05,909 --> 00:02:03,759 also if we have transit and radial 48 00:02:08,190 --> 00:02:05,919 detections we can get their density and 49 00:02:09,870 --> 00:02:08,200 that's what this plot is about so dense 50 00:02:11,490 --> 00:02:09,880 this is a slightly older plot but lots 51 00:02:13,620 --> 00:02:11,500 and lots of new planets are being put on 52 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:13,630 here because we're getting more planets 53 00:02:19,949 --> 00:02:15,130 that we know both the radial velocity 54 00:02:22,950 --> 00:02:19,959 and the and the transits for so dense 55 00:02:25,670 --> 00:02:22,960 high density low density now one example 56 00:02:28,369 --> 00:02:25,680 of AD volatilized piece of 57 00:02:29,990 --> 00:02:28,379 stellar nebula is the earth and so when 58 00:02:32,089 --> 00:02:30,000 we plot the earth compared to the Sun 59 00:02:34,009 --> 00:02:32,099 you can see that did some elements 60 00:02:35,599 --> 00:02:34,019 particularly the noble gases there's 61 00:02:37,580 --> 00:02:35,609 very very little in the earth than blue 62 00:02:39,140 --> 00:02:37,590 and other elements which are very 63 00:02:41,330 --> 00:02:39,150 refractory you can see that the Earth's 64 00:02:43,879 --> 00:02:41,340 relative abundance and the Suns are 65 00:02:45,530 --> 00:02:43,889 pretty much identical almost in other 66 00:02:46,940 --> 00:02:45,540 words if we didn't have this star the 67 00:02:48,530 --> 00:02:46,950 Sun right there but we knew the 68 00:02:50,390 --> 00:02:48,540 abundances of the earth we could look 69 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:50,400 around at all the stars and by matching 70 00:02:56,509 --> 00:02:51,930 the refractory elements we could figure 71 00:02:58,759 --> 00:02:56,519 out which was our mother star so now 72 00:03:00,530 --> 00:02:58,769 here a bunch of stars unfortunately this 73 00:03:03,020 --> 00:03:00,540 also is an older plot but the point is 74 00:03:05,119 --> 00:03:03,030 that stars differ in their relative 75 00:03:07,580 --> 00:03:05,129 abundances of different elements so you 76 00:03:09,649 --> 00:03:07,590 can see here that there now if there 77 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:09,659 just a line up here that means they have 78 00:03:13,849 --> 00:03:11,730 high metallicity but the same relative 79 00:03:15,920 --> 00:03:13,859 abundances down here if it were just a 80 00:03:18,589 --> 00:03:15,930 line it would be low metallicity but the 81 00:03:20,179 --> 00:03:18,599 same relative abundances as the Sun but 82 00:03:21,679 --> 00:03:20,189 you can see that these lines go up and 83 00:03:24,949 --> 00:03:21,689 down up and down and so you get 84 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:24,959 variations of 10 20 30 percent in the 85 00:03:29,689 --> 00:03:27,450 abundances of magnesium calcium other 86 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:29,699 important elements that eventually will 87 00:03:38,059 --> 00:03:33,090 produce the rocky planets around that 88 00:03:40,759 --> 00:03:38,069 star so the name of the game then is to 89 00:03:43,580 --> 00:03:40,769 figure out what is let's may it be as 90 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:43,590 precise as we can - what is the D 91 00:03:47,659 --> 00:03:44,970 volatilization that has produced the 92 00:03:50,179 --> 00:03:47,669 earth from the stellar nebula and here's 93 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:50,189 a plot now normally earth scientists 94 00:03:53,089 --> 00:03:51,090 when they look at this these are the 95 00:03:56,089 --> 00:03:53,099 experts in Earth's what they plot here 96 00:03:57,649 --> 00:03:56,099 is see eyes up everybody's making this 97 00:04:00,439 --> 00:03:57,659 mistakes see eyes here as a 98 00:04:02,179 --> 00:04:00,449 representative of the Sun and they 99 00:04:03,979 --> 00:04:02,189 normalize - magnesium and they get a 100 00:04:05,899 --> 00:04:03,989 refractory thing here this says the 101 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:05,909 earth and the Sun are the same and then 102 00:04:09,589 --> 00:04:07,530 there's this D volatilization here 103 00:04:13,249 --> 00:04:09,599 typically they don't use the bulk earth 104 00:04:14,990 --> 00:04:13,259 they use the primitive mantle and so we 105 00:04:16,759 --> 00:04:15,000 said oh you know what we're going to do 106 00:04:18,439 --> 00:04:16,769 a better job than these earth scientists 107 00:04:20,629 --> 00:04:18,449 first of all we're going to put error 108 00:04:21,710 --> 00:04:20,639 bars on the bulk earth and we're going 109 00:04:23,450 --> 00:04:21,720 to include the core and so we're going 110 00:04:25,249 --> 00:04:23,460 to get the elemental abundances of the 111 00:04:25,999 --> 00:04:25,259 earth with air bars and that has never 112 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:26,009 been done before 113 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:28,650 it's been almost done but we use what 114 00:04:32,210 --> 00:04:30,090 has been done before and did a better 115 00:04:34,430 --> 00:04:32,220 job of combining things and we think we 116 00:04:36,500 --> 00:04:34,440 have the best bulk elemental composition 117 00:04:38,629 --> 00:04:36,510 of the earth ever and you should use it 118 00:04:38,990 --> 00:04:38,639 in your future if you're interested in 119 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:39,000 the 120 00:04:52,250 --> 00:04:50,130 is abundance normalized to aluminum now 121 00:04:53,570 --> 00:04:52,260 and aluminum is much more refractory 122 00:04:55,490 --> 00:04:53,580 than the silicon in the magnesium that I 123 00:04:59,030 --> 00:04:55,500 usually use so therefore you don't get 124 00:05:00,350 --> 00:04:59,040 that artificial increase in the you 125 00:05:03,170 --> 00:05:00,360 don't get an enrichment of the 126 00:05:05,450 --> 00:05:03,180 refractory elements and here what's 127 00:05:08,510 --> 00:05:05,460 plotted is the earth the concordant bulk 128 00:05:10,370 --> 00:05:08,520 earth in the blue and then we've also 129 00:05:12,380 --> 00:05:10,380 done what has usually been done as we 130 00:05:14,540 --> 00:05:12,390 did the primitive mantle dividing it 131 00:05:16,310 --> 00:05:14,550 into these types different element types 132 00:05:18,350 --> 00:05:16,320 and you can see that flat here and 133 00:05:19,820 --> 00:05:18,360 there's a line here so I said well you 134 00:05:21,980 --> 00:05:19,830 know what we got a flat here and a line 135 00:05:24,470 --> 00:05:21,990 here let's fit this has it been fit 136 00:05:26,330 --> 00:05:24,480 before kind of but not really so let's 137 00:05:29,090 --> 00:05:26,340 do the best job of fitting this line 138 00:05:32,390 --> 00:05:29,100 this D volatilization trend as we call 139 00:05:34,220 --> 00:05:32,400 it and when you do well first of all 140 00:05:35,930 --> 00:05:34,230 there's a difference when you look at 141 00:05:38,840 --> 00:05:35,940 plots like this make sure are they 142 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:38,850 normalizing to see icon rights or are 143 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:41,130 they normalizing to the Sun there's a 144 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:42,690 difference a lot of things are the same 145 00:05:49,010 --> 00:05:46,130 but there's a very important differences 146 00:05:50,510 --> 00:05:49,020 for example here's the cut here's the C 147 00:05:52,340 --> 00:05:50,520 icon dried abundances here the solar 148 00:05:54,230 --> 00:05:52,350 photosphere abundances and you can see 149 00:05:56,210 --> 00:05:54,240 it's basically the same except for 150 00:05:58,640 --> 00:05:56,220 lithium is being burned in the Sun and 151 00:05:59,390 --> 00:05:58,650 all these have been depleted in CI 152 00:06:01,010 --> 00:05:59,400 chondrites 153 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:01,020 plus CI contracts they have a lot of 154 00:06:04,190 --> 00:06:03,090 refractories it's the most volatile rich 155 00:06:06,409 --> 00:06:04,200 sometimes called the primitive 156 00:06:08,900 --> 00:06:06,419 meteorites that we use as a proxy for 157 00:06:12,230 --> 00:06:08,910 the Sun but in terms of these elements 158 00:06:15,170 --> 00:06:12,240 are really bad proxy so let's continue 159 00:06:18,020 --> 00:06:15,180 so highly volatile elements are nine and 160 00:06:19,909 --> 00:06:18,030 the depleted in CIS and are well 161 00:06:21,590 --> 00:06:19,919 determined in the photosphere 13 162 00:06:22,820 --> 00:06:21,600 elements without photosphere abundances 163 00:06:25,250 --> 00:06:22,830 are well determined in the meteoritic 164 00:06:28,460 --> 00:06:25,260 abundances primordial ism is burned in 165 00:06:29,030 --> 00:06:28,470 the Sun and so the whole idea is how do 166 00:06:31,850 --> 00:06:29,040 you combine 167 00:06:33,890 --> 00:06:31,860 photosphere with CI measurements to make 168 00:06:35,930 --> 00:06:33,900 the best measurements for the Sun and 169 00:06:38,210 --> 00:06:35,940 that's what we did and here's our method 170 00:06:40,130 --> 00:06:38,220 now laughter's 2009 did something very 171 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:40,140 similar here's how she divided up those 172 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:41,970 elements that combined them here's how 173 00:06:46,610 --> 00:06:44,610 we did this is the elements that are you 174 00:06:48,860 --> 00:06:46,620 based only on the photosphere elements 175 00:06:50,300 --> 00:06:48,870 based only on meteorites laughter's 176 00:06:52,170 --> 00:06:50,310 loves meteorites so she put most of them 177 00:06:53,700 --> 00:06:52,180 here but we did a 178 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:53,710 average them this a stands for average 179 00:06:57,930 --> 00:06:55,570 so we average all these elements because 180 00:06:59,879 --> 00:06:57,940 both photo spheric and meteoritic 181 00:07:03,480 --> 00:06:59,889 abundances are available for those 182 00:07:05,430 --> 00:07:03,490 elements okay so when you do that you 183 00:07:07,170 --> 00:07:05,440 get a plot that looks like this but you 184 00:07:09,450 --> 00:07:07,180 can see it better down here 185 00:07:12,330 --> 00:07:09,460 the blue is photosphere the red are the 186 00:07:14,430 --> 00:07:12,340 CI chondrites and the yellow is the way 187 00:07:16,650 --> 00:07:14,440 we've combined them together to get the 188 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:16,660 best estimate of the protis solar 189 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:18,970 abundances and that's what we need 190 00:07:23,580 --> 00:07:21,090 because the proto solar abundances are 191 00:07:27,510 --> 00:07:23,590 what was d volatilized to produce the 192 00:07:29,339 --> 00:07:27,520 earth okay so along the way we figured 193 00:07:31,439 --> 00:07:29,349 eh why don't we do the XY and Z these 194 00:07:34,020 --> 00:07:31,449 are the mass fractions in hydrogen 195 00:07:35,370 --> 00:07:34,030 helium and everything else and it's 196 00:07:38,219 --> 00:07:35,380 interesting to know that over the last 197 00:07:39,990 --> 00:07:38,229 three decades this Z the amount the 198 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:40,000 fraction of material in the Sun that's 199 00:07:43,140 --> 00:07:41,410 not hydrogen helium has been going down 200 00:07:45,029 --> 00:07:43,150 from one point eight nine all the way 201 00:07:50,159 --> 00:07:45,039 down to about one point four oh right 202 00:07:53,670 --> 00:07:50,169 here now when you plot up this now the 203 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:53,680 Sun so here is the Sun and the blue is 204 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:55,330 the earth and you can see that they're 205 00:07:58,649 --> 00:07:56,650 up and down up and down some of them are 206 00:08:00,029 --> 00:07:58,659 identical and some of them are developed 207 00:08:02,670 --> 00:08:00,039 alized some of them are really developed 208 00:08:04,020 --> 00:08:02,680 eyes and when you plot that as a 209 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:04,030 function of condensation temperature 210 00:08:08,399 --> 00:08:06,130 this is notice this is linear 211 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:08,409 condensation temperature not log you get 212 00:08:10,830 --> 00:08:09,490 something looks like here all this 213 00:08:12,180 --> 00:08:10,840 identical dental dead of all it goes 214 00:08:13,589 --> 00:08:12,190 down a little bit and there goes has 215 00:08:15,629 --> 00:08:13,599 this line here and then it goes soups 216 00:08:17,909 --> 00:08:15,639 down here a blow-up of this area is 217 00:08:18,779 --> 00:08:17,919 right here and you can see that it's up 218 00:08:20,279 --> 00:08:18,789 and down up and down up and down and 219 00:08:22,350 --> 00:08:20,289 then it starts to go down right about 220 00:08:23,969 --> 00:08:22,360 here so if you normalize to silicon or 221 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:23,979 magnesium you're pumping this all up 222 00:08:27,210 --> 00:08:25,570 artificially and then you say oh it's 223 00:08:30,469 --> 00:08:27,220 enriched in little phial that's just an 224 00:08:34,170 --> 00:08:30,479 artificial product of your normalization 225 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:34,180 okay so let's fit this line now this is 226 00:08:39,029 --> 00:08:36,010 pretty much the main result and that is 227 00:08:41,010 --> 00:08:39,039 we have here the Sun the new values of 228 00:08:42,930 --> 00:08:41,020 the Sun as I described we have here the 229 00:08:45,510 --> 00:08:42,940 bulk earth so where we really are 230 00:08:47,220 --> 00:08:45,520 comparing the proto Sun with the bulk 231 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:47,230 earth and then we have this line here 232 00:08:51,510 --> 00:08:48,970 and what's an interesting feature is 233 00:08:53,850 --> 00:08:51,520 where does this line cross this line and 234 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:53,860 that we spend some time to get this and 235 00:08:58,889 --> 00:08:56,290 it's 1 3 9 1 plus or minus 15 Kelvin 236 00:09:01,300 --> 00:08:58,899 here's the is to blow-up of that right 237 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:04,179 moving along now let's compare what I 238 00:09:09,939 --> 00:09:07,250 just showed you two previous closest 239 00:09:12,910 --> 00:09:09,949 things and there are some things here 240 00:09:16,210 --> 00:09:12,920 from Carlin Lewis 93 palma no deal 2014 241 00:09:17,530 --> 00:09:16,220 mcdonough 2014 and basically they had 242 00:09:19,749 --> 00:09:17,540 this enrichment that I told you about 243 00:09:21,610 --> 00:09:19,759 when we renormalized there there's two 244 00:09:24,309 --> 00:09:21,620 aluminum for example that brings them 245 00:09:26,949 --> 00:09:24,319 all down here and then here's our 1391 246 00:09:29,290 --> 00:09:26,959 and here are their values right here so 247 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:29,300 this would outside the error bars of our 248 00:09:33,309 --> 00:09:31,250 so we think we have the most precise 249 00:09:34,990 --> 00:09:33,319 measurement of some temperature that I 250 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:35,000 don't think has a name I've asked lots 251 00:09:37,629 --> 00:09:36,170 of our sites what's the name of this 252 00:09:39,610 --> 00:09:37,639 temperature so we just called the D 253 00:09:41,110 --> 00:09:39,620 volatilization temperature or the brake 254 00:09:43,749 --> 00:09:41,120 temperature with a critical temperature 255 00:09:47,619 --> 00:09:43,759 beyond which you have flat here and then 256 00:09:51,970 --> 00:09:47,629 go down here now let's look now notice 257 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:51,980 in this plot here the we have 500 is the 258 00:09:56,139 --> 00:09:54,050 lowest value of the condensation 259 00:09:58,689 --> 00:09:56,149 temperature for the next one and this is 260 00:09:59,889 --> 00:09:58,699 a log value of PC condensation 261 00:10:01,990 --> 00:09:59,899 temperature but now we're going to go 262 00:10:03,999 --> 00:10:02,000 further down and you can see that this 263 00:10:05,980 --> 00:10:04,009 balloon line which is established here 264 00:10:07,869 --> 00:10:05,990 we've just extrapolated it out here 265 00:10:09,100 --> 00:10:07,879 now one thing you could do when you 266 00:10:12,460 --> 00:10:09,110 extrapolate it out here you can say oh 267 00:10:14,530 --> 00:10:12,470 look at that this the mercury in the 268 00:10:16,689 --> 00:10:14,540 earth looks like it's over abundant 269 00:10:19,389 --> 00:10:16,699 compared to this line what could be 270 00:10:22,179 --> 00:10:19,399 wrong well what's wrong is that there is 271 00:10:24,910 --> 00:10:22,189 no measurement of photosphere of mercury 272 00:10:26,499 --> 00:10:24,920 so we just assume it's been from the sea 273 00:10:29,170 --> 00:10:26,509 ice and when you do that you get a 274 00:10:31,299 --> 00:10:29,180 miscalculation here but with you I have 275 00:10:33,340 --> 00:10:31,309 five minutes okay so if you say you know 276 00:10:35,410 --> 00:10:33,350 what let's not assume that the mercury 277 00:10:37,900 --> 00:10:35,420 this seemed like this pretty volatile 278 00:10:40,299 --> 00:10:37,910 thing is the same in CIS and the 279 00:10:42,340 --> 00:10:40,309 protosun then you get then you bring 280 00:10:45,189 --> 00:10:42,350 this down to here and you get much more 281 00:10:47,710 --> 00:10:45,199 Corden's all your in discussion time 282 00:10:51,189 --> 00:10:47,720 okay you're in the question time okay I 283 00:10:52,689 --> 00:10:51,199 will stop in about a minute I guess the 284 00:10:55,030 --> 00:10:52,699 point is that when you extrapolate here 285 00:10:56,980 --> 00:10:55,040 you get some noble gases which don't fit 286 00:10:58,780 --> 00:10:56,990 that line very well they're all depleted 287 00:11:00,910 --> 00:10:58,790 here and I we suspect that the 288 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:00,920 condensation temperatures of oh and C 289 00:11:04,749 --> 00:11:03,050 are not right because Lauder's 290 00:11:07,150 --> 00:11:04,759 condensation temperatures are due to an 291 00:11:09,189 --> 00:11:07,160 equilibrium gas that's cooling and at 292 00:11:11,439 --> 00:11:09,199 equilibrium and I suspect we're talking 293 00:11:13,419 --> 00:11:11,449 about really non equilibrium in other 294 00:11:15,070 --> 00:11:13,429 words we have big chunks of material 295 00:11:18,730 --> 00:11:15,080 that's coming into the crease 296 00:11:20,860 --> 00:11:18,740 that is not it's not like an onion well 297 00:11:23,740 --> 00:11:20,870 it's not that equilibrium I just say 298 00:11:25,300 --> 00:11:23,750 that and it gets sublimated and what 299 00:11:27,610 --> 00:11:25,310 else I want to say and see it well 300 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:27,620 that's they're probably different values 301 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:34,130 for PC for Owens and C and what else so 302 00:11:38,820 --> 00:11:36,290 we also looked at this in terms of the 303 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:38,830 CIS and we got some kind of condé 304 00:11:42,460 --> 00:11:41,210 volatilization temperature for CIS as 305 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:42,470 you can see that they're very close to 306 00:11:46,270 --> 00:11:44,450 the Sun and then they diverge right here 307 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:46,280 and I'm running out of time we 308 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:48,170 recalibrated to see I just have a look 309 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:49,730 at it from another way and we have the 310 00:11:55,660 --> 00:11:52,370 Sun going up the CIA or Moises to the 311 00:11:57,250 --> 00:11:55,670 one and then the last slide is to first 312 00:11:58,150 --> 00:11:57,260 order the earth is a dibala five pieces 313 00:12:00,400 --> 00:11:58,160 of solar nebula 314 00:12:01,780 --> 00:12:00,410 similarly rocky exoplanets are most 315 00:12:03,010 --> 00:12:01,790 certainly develop lies piece of the 316 00:12:04,870 --> 00:12:03,020 stellar net without of which they in 317 00:12:06,130 --> 00:12:04,880 their host stars form by comparing the 318 00:12:08,140 --> 00:12:06,140 compositional difference between premise 319 00:12:09,490 --> 00:12:08,150 on and earths we have quantified the 320 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:09,500 first-order develop relation patterns 321 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:10,490 that can be used to estimate the 322 00:12:14,470 --> 00:12:12,890 chemical composition of rock EXO planets 323 00:12:15,940 --> 00:12:14,480 around other stars because we have those 324 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:15,950 other stars elemental abundances by 325 00:12:30,699 --> 00:12:18,050 doing spectrum thank you 326 00:12:33,939 --> 00:12:32,559 Charlie very interesting talk I 327 00:12:34,929 --> 00:12:33,949 definitely want to talk to you and get 328 00:12:37,749 --> 00:12:34,939 your slides afterwards 329 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:37,759 um are you oh I'm sorry Carolus Johns 330 00:12:42,660 --> 00:12:39,410 Hopkins Applied Physics Laboratory old 331 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:42,670 friends of Charlie for many years I 332 00:12:46,359 --> 00:12:45,170 would be a little worried about your gia 333 00:12:47,530 --> 00:12:46,369 volatility and temperatures you're 334 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:47,540 assuming for carbon hydrogen oxygen 335 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:49,730 nitrogen as you know John elements can 336 00:12:53,829 --> 00:12:51,290 combine into many different materials 337 00:12:56,019 --> 00:12:53,839 all of which have usually are vastly 338 00:12:57,220 --> 00:12:56,029 different evaporation temperatures so 339 00:12:59,169 --> 00:12:57,230 you may want to make that part of your 340 00:13:00,999 --> 00:12:59,179 problem is bulk carbon it isn't just 341 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:01,009 both oxygen and graphic exactly I 342 00:13:04,660 --> 00:13:02,689 completely agree with you that's why we 343 00:13:07,059 --> 00:13:04,670 have these little but what we can do is 344 00:13:08,889 --> 00:13:07,069 figure out what those condensation 345 00:13:11,230 --> 00:13:08,899 temperatures are for right here for 346 00:13:13,179 --> 00:13:11,240 example we can say okay let's pretend 347 00:13:15,369 --> 00:13:13,189 that they fit what does that say about 348 00:13:17,259 --> 00:13:15,379 the different elements in a in them and 349 00:13:18,540 --> 00:13:17,269 it's a little bit like well I suspect 350 00:13:21,669 --> 00:13:18,550 that that will give more accurate 351 00:13:23,619 --> 00:13:21,679 distributions of these elements rather 352 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:23,629 than the ones that were put in by waters 353 00:13:29,169 --> 00:13:26,569 when she did a calculation skeeved and I 354 00:13:31,119 --> 00:13:29,179 show you this is really fantastic it's a 355 00:13:33,939 --> 00:13:31,129 very much needed thing so I'm very 356 00:13:36,369 --> 00:13:33,949 excited also to get a preprint or 357 00:13:37,989 --> 00:13:36,379 something I wanted to do the same thing 358 00:13:39,519 --> 00:13:37,999 and what I ran into that for sadirah 359 00:13:41,470 --> 00:13:39,529 files they're all in the core and we 360 00:13:44,019 --> 00:13:41,480 don't know what's in the core and for 361 00:13:45,610 --> 00:13:44,029 refractories very often they actually 362 00:13:46,660 --> 00:13:45,620 just assume the abundances of the 363 00:13:47,889 --> 00:13:46,670 Santa's chondrites 364 00:13:50,259 --> 00:13:47,899 how did you get around those problems 365 00:13:51,639 --> 00:13:50,269 well one thing is the first thing we had 366 00:13:54,220 --> 00:13:51,649 to do is figure out what the mass 367 00:13:56,499 --> 00:13:54,230 fraction of the core is is there about 368 00:13:58,059 --> 00:13:56,509 four four things that the four papers 369 00:13:59,619 --> 00:13:58,069 have been written but earth scientists 370 00:14:01,809 --> 00:13:59,629 are convinced that they don't need to 371 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:01,819 put air bars so we said oh there have 372 00:14:06,460 --> 00:14:04,490 four just we have four numbers for the 373 00:14:09,879 --> 00:14:06,470 mass fraction of the core so you need to 374 00:14:12,850 --> 00:14:09,889 know is that 32 into 33 is it 31 and we 375 00:14:14,829 --> 00:14:12,860 looked at that carefully and combined 376 00:14:16,150 --> 00:14:14,839 results and then we had to use a new 377 00:14:17,379 --> 00:14:16,160 gravitational constant too because the 378 00:14:18,730 --> 00:14:17,389 total mass of the Earth has changed 379 00:14:21,009 --> 00:14:18,740 because little big G has changed a 380 00:14:23,470 --> 00:14:21,019 little bit so these are tiny well I 381 00:14:26,110 --> 00:14:23,480 would say significant but usually 382 00:14:28,660 --> 00:14:26,120 detailed differences also you're right 383 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:28,670 that the MOT it's model dependent but 384 00:14:31,749 --> 00:14:30,290 there are about seven models so what we 385 00:14:32,980 --> 00:14:31,759 did is say well there's a model there's 386 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:32,990 a model there's a model for what the 387 00:14:35,949 --> 00:14:34,730 composition of the core is and then we 388 00:14:37,119 --> 00:14:35,959 just said okay let's take the upper and 389 00:14:39,189 --> 00:14:37,129 lower error bar and say that's the 390 00:14:40,509 --> 00:14:39,199 uncertainty in the composition of the 391 00:14:41,050 --> 00:14:40,519 core which we then add to the primitive 392 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:41,060 mental 393 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:42,410 you're right the primitive man slit 394 00:14:46,210 --> 00:14:43,610 everybody knows about it because it's 395 00:14:49,300 --> 00:14:46,220 more accessible but there are many many 396 00:14:50,830 --> 00:14:49,310 ways to model not get great estimates 397 00:14:53,050 --> 00:14:50,840 for the core but the best ones that 398 00:14:54,730 --> 00:14:53,060 exist and that's the ones we used okay 399 00:14:56,740 --> 00:14:54,740 we'll talk with error bars that are 400 00:14:58,570 --> 00:14:56,750 legitimate really reflect how much the 401 00:15:01,030 --> 00:14:58,580 people who are modeling the course think 402 00:15:02,770 --> 00:15:01,040 they know about it in other words don't 403 00:15:04,630 --> 00:15:02,780 just oh we can't do anything about it I 404 00:15:06,100 --> 00:15:04,640 think that's just uh that's what 405 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:06,110 everybody in their sciences community 406 00:15:09,340 --> 00:15:07,370 has done so far because they don't keep 407 00:15:11,180 --> 00:15:09,350 track of their error bar let and your oh